Sparking a Love Revolution

An Interview with Tara Ijai


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Welcome to a path of her own. I’m blue ref. And I’m sitting down with women who are building success on their own terms. Asking questions to get at the raw truth of the ups and downs of their journey. I hope that today’s interview sparked something within you when you know better, do better. My Angela Hello, I am here with Tara EJ and I am so excited. Just like Tara is someone that I just whenever I see hear or hear her name, it brings a smile. And I think that’s her whole goal actually, life she is. She likes to call herself a love rebel. She’s the founder of the love glasses revolution which we’ll be sharing more about and and I love it today she she said to me that she’s feeling sassy and love glassy. So if you ever you might see people running around with their love glasses on including me. If you ever see me online, I’m often wearing love glasses. And today you’ll understand why. Welcome, Sarah. It’s so good to have you here.

Tara Ljai  

Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here.

Awesome. So, um, gosh, where to begin? I love what you said you’re just a person on a journey. Yeah. What kind of journey are you on?

Well, I didn’t recognize that I was just a person on a journey I had when I first started six years ago with the love glasses revolution, which I can get into in a bit, but I was a person just trying to survive in the world, really, to matter at that time, I would say to be accepted, to be loved, to not be hated. I think it was at that time. If you recall, in 2015 That’s when before the elections and all the crazy the rhetoric and there was the San Bernardino and well, people can’t see me. So I’m an American Muslim, wearing a headscarf. So that matters. And as that identity at that time, I remember feeling really, really overwhelmed with it. So I think that’s the point where where the love glasses grew for me. Let me tell you how.

Yeah, yeah. So it’s a really hard time to be Muslim Americans.

It was it was American Muslim. I I always say American Muslim first. I don’t know. I feel compelled to say that. I just like the way it sounds better. And it was it was it was the hate crimes were up. I mean, it was like their statistics. 67% I’ll never forget that number is just every we were on Facebook and everything you read and saw and heard was about fear. And, you know, the algorithms, they feed you that fear if you’re if you’re clicking, you know, that’s what you’re gonna get boy was clicking. So everything I saw was worse and worse. And it got to a point where where people would be calling me friends would be calling me and saying like, can we escort you to the bank? Can we take you to the store? And I’m thinking How bad is it out there? Sounds like a Battlezone. Right. And I was just really, really living in fear. Yeah. So that’s

what is the 67%

hate crimes were up 67% That year, it was like a statistic for whatever reason I can never forget. For for Muslims, by the way, in particular, because at that time, that was my world. That was my identity. That was my world. Everything was you know, my sphere was very small. My worldview was very small. It was myself, my fear, my family’s fear, my communities fear. And that’s all I could see. Then, yeah, things have changed.

Yeah. Yeah. So So what shifted it for you? What happened?

Well, I guess, like everything, there’s a catalyst. So when I went to California, it was there was I went to a hotel and there was breakfast, and I have to tell that story. Because when I was walking through the buffet area, the TV was blaring, it said, What are you going to do with the American Muslims? You’re gonna round them up, you’re gonna put them in concentration camps. What are you going to do with them? And I recall Everybody just looking at me as I was going through, and I literally remember thinking, like, just here for the French toast, you know, that was my thought, because I’m that person. But they, they just stared and you know that energy, you know that energy when you feel like everybody is looking at you, and you own it, you take it and you own it and, and I was so depressed, and I went home. And I remember crying to my little brother for, for like, I mean, God, two hours. And it was telling him about how the world is unfair. And it was sad. And he really didn’t know what to say, you know, I remember telling him, they don’t know me. They don’t know me. And, and I remember that feeling of like, if they only knew me, they wouldn’t hate me, you know. And my brother didn’t know what to say. But he did send me this meme. And it was a little guinea pig wearing heart shaped glasses. And it said, I can’t see haters with my love glasses on. And it was that meme that was this catalyst to I remember laughing and crying all at the same time. Because you have to picture this big six foot two guy sending me this meme in the first place. Like he had full tattoos and you know, bald head. And, you know, he at that time worked in a prison, you know, and there he is sending me this little meme so that it was hilarious. Yet, it was so powerful, because something in it connected with me in such a way that was crazy. I said, You know what I’m gonna, I’m gonna go buy a pair of glasses. You know, and it was a rebellious thing. At that time. It was a protection, it was a shield. If I get these love glasses and put them on and go out into the world, and someone says something to me. I’m ready. You know, that’s my way of being ready. Like, yeah, you know, can’t see haters with my love glasses on. Yeah. But I put those glasses on. And I went out and I stood a little bit taller, and a little bit ready to engage in I don’t know what I was waiting for. But whatever it was, that’s not what happened. It was Yeah, I mean, the first time I went to sprouts, I’ll never forget it. This woman chased me around the produce aisle three times, not like the way you think. But she needed to stop and tell me. I love your heart shaped glasses. And I think it was at that time that I realized that it was a tool, but not the kind that I was thinking. You know, it was, it was something that was safe. Meaning if they saw my headscarf, they can’t just stop and say hey, I love your headscarf. That’s so cool. Maybe they feel uncomfortable with that maybe they feel that’s a, you know, sacred thing that they can’t speak of. But heart shaped glasses, those are fair game. And it became a tool of connection in a weird, weird way. And the greatest of weird ways, by the way, because I am weird in a great way. And you know, I love weirdness, right? Like I love it’s, it’s who we are. But the more I connect with people, the more I saw the power of it, and it made people happy. And our and our conversations, which were normally like, just so basic. If I told them that these are my love glasses, and I choose to see the world with love, they would light up and we would have these amazing conversations that just escalated. And it no longer mattered who I was who they were. We were just two souls having a conversation. And it always like, up leveled or up leveled. It was about love.

I love it. Yeah. That’s amazing. Yeah, I definitely notice a difference when I’m wearing protective glasses, as well. And just the things that have I mean, it’s one lane and traffic. I’ll smile kids smile. It’s like,

have you noticed people? Once they recognize that their heart shaped glasses, oftentimes they have to comment. You know, I mean, I get so many comments and compliments and I love your glasses. I mean, it’s just, it just feels like it’s a little bit of some way we can produce joy in the world. It’s a little bit of a statement, a billboard. It’s a little bit of here I am and how I’m showing up and And I think that’s very important to me to, to lead in the way that I want to, instead of just plainly as a Muslim with a headscarf, with all these different connotations of what that means and interpretations by people who don’t know, or listen to just news. You know, I get to choose. And there’s power in that.

Yeah, yeah, I love it. And I also, I just also want to highlight to that. There can be a way in which, right? We’re just like the rose colored glasses idea, right? Where we’re just like, ignoring reality and pretending like, everything is fine. Which I do not see you doing. But I thought maybe gonna say a word about that.

No, I appreciate that. Because I think now they’re calling it toxic positivity more than anything. And it’s a Pollyanna type. Attitude. Absolutely not. I think it’s a it’s a choice. And it’s powerful, I feel that it’s because I’m able to see the world the way it is, in all of its layers and complexities. And, you know, life isn’t really meant to be one singular way. I mean, you can’t have it’s not all joy. It’s not all pain, right? But we do live in the world, in our perception of the world. And if I could keep my perception leading toward the positive, then it’s better for me and my soul and how I operate in the world. I am not good from a place of despair. I would say most people aren’t. But so what because I see the sadness, and I have a tendency to go that way to be honest with you, I have a tendency to live and dwell in the negative. You know, I feel like growing up, we had a fear based family. I mean, my father worked in a prison. It’s a lot of, you know, people are bad, and things are bad. And just wait was so. Okay. They they can be, but what can I do in the moment? You know, I think that’s, that’s what I need to, to keep reminding. So it’s something a quote, I heard, and I think it’s so powerful is Love in the Time of hate is revolutionary. And I feel that love is the greatest force on earth. I mean, I’m, you know, MLK, all the way. I mean, he tried to make great changes, using, you know, love and self love standing up for himself and others, and, you know, this is something to aspire to.

Mm hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, and, and we were talking about how we met, which was, which was very much, you know, I think what I’m hearing you saying, in all this is, like, not not living fully reactionary, but also like, putting forth you know, initiating a dialogue that is love centered, is when I see you doing, and, and there’s a time and place to protest to be against something. And that’s where we met.

Yes, yes, we did.

So, yeah, so we we met at we both lived in the same town in the Phoenix area, and we met at the mosque there the local mosque and, and an event and then in March, at the time, the Muslim ban, so that must have been five years ish ago.

Yes. Five and five and a half. Yeah, it was, I think, I think January of 2016 or something. Yeah, I don’t know. Weird. I can’t remember the date person to be honest with you, but it was five or six is right. And that was definitely you know, we had just, I had just embrace the idea that I wanted to make the love glasses more than me, because I had kept seeing the power of it. And how I first brought it to fruition, by the way was when the Women’s March came, and every all the women you know, they were they were just it was this rise and this power and this feminine energy, and it was, so I’ve never been a person that was engaged in this kind of Have activity you know, or feeling or momentum. But I knew that I was afraid of where we were at, you know, with and like, what am I going to do to show up? So I knew people were angry women were angry, and rightfully so I’m not saying anything, but I knew that I couldn’t show up that way. Like, I didn’t feel like wearing the pink hats were were my thing. So like, I had to think about that, like, what do I want to be. And that’s when I made that 12 foot banner that said, Love for All. And it was the first debut, I just brought that thing. I didn’t know if someone was going to help me carry it, or what I mean, it was huge. It was massive, it was ridiculously large. And you wouldn’t believe the people that just joined in behind me and marched with me people of all kinds and even men and you it was incredible. Actually, it was so powerful that I went around that block twice. No shame in my game. I did I went I walked that thing twice. My banner, like, just suck it up the love, you know, and people were smiling and hugging and waving. And we could do that it was pretty COVID and cheering and asking, you know, I remember one person even asking, like, Where have you been, which made me understand that it was not just about me, as that this was much bigger than me and that there are many people feeling the way that I felt for different reasons. This was my first connection to breaking through that bubble that I was telling you about where that I was living in. It was pretty powerful.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it’s sort of like the oxygen mask except the love glasses. Right? Apply to self first.

Right. Right. And, and I, you know, got to with the love glasses, and with, you know, my best friend ran for US Senate and Arizona, Deidre. And through those experiences, I got to go to different community events that I never would have known existed, because my world in my sphere was so small. And I remember going to a transgender awareness night, and I sat right in that front row. And I was in tears by the end of it, because listening to them, and the stories that they went through, there were so many similarities. And, you know, I started to really started to piece together that we are community, we are connected, we are one, which is so important. It’s one of my core values connection. I’ve learned this along this journey, and and I feel like I’m a person that once I am aware of these things, that I want to find ways to help lift all of us together, you know, like, let’s move forward, how can we be better together? And I think that’s a lot of what love glasses revolution is trying to do. What we’re trying what I’m trying to do.

Yeah. Beautiful. Have you worn left glasses outside of the United States?

Oh, yeah. Yes. And people have our love rebels outside of the United States. So we have what some of my favorite groups are Ireland. We got How did I get hooked up with iron on Facebook? They, someone wrote a post. And then this woman wrote a feisty response back and it was early in 2016. And I replied to it, like, a love it. Thanks. You know, and then we connected because of her feistiness, because I just love horribleness you know, like in the good way, the good, the good trouble. And we became friends early on. And so then they were following the love glasses revolution. And they they’ve had like, all these different events, and they were love glasses over there. So like, yeah. And she became an author in the book that we wrote in 2020, by the way, one of the one of the Irish love rebels. And so it’s just been this really neat. I don’t know, metamorphosis. I mean, they’ve went to many, many different countries outside the US were. So it’s been fun.

Brilliant. And I remember that you took glasses to a school, I think after there’d been a shooting.

Yes, El Paso. So El Paso as you remember how was the tragic shooting there? And that was that was horrible. That was particularly horrible. It’s not that we wanted to wearing glasses or could bring glasses to every mass shooting. Unfortunately, this it’s just so, so crazy. But this one in particular got me because this guy, he had a whole manifesto, he had a whole hate manifesto. And he drove hours to deliver that hate to this community. And I remember telling Adnan like, and and how we even found out about it was a teacher posted online and it went viral. Please send my kids if you could send them a postcard tell them their loved. Tell them they’re important. Tell them they that you know that. Let’s show them. And I’m like, and then we need to go there, then seems me we need we need to go and bring postcards. Yes. But we need to bring love glasses. So we’re pretty small, as you can imagine, like, we’re not a huge corporation or anything. We’re a small local business with some love glasses. So I called and found out how many kids were in school. And there was, you know, a lot. So I asked the love, you know, for those two grades anyway, we asked, I mean, we gave over like 1100 pair or some crazy thing. And our people love rebels responded and help pay for those and pay for the, like the trip at a very basic level. I mean, and we went there. And we were able to do that because of the whole community behind that idea. Which, by the way, being an overthinker that I am, wasn’t even sure I was gonna go I wanted to go, but then started thinking like, Oh, my God, like, Is that does that look like? You know, what’s the word state performative? You know, there’s different, you know, and I’m like, Nope, I’m not. There’s nothing performative about how I feel about this, like I have to go. And maybe it was for my own self. But you know, like, seeing how people are doing making sure I can tell people they’re loved or cared about. And when I got there, I swear, they were the strongest people. I mean, El Paso strong is no joke, that hashtag El Paso strong. It’s, it’s a resiliency, it’s a, you know, this guy is not going to do that to our community. I mean, that was something I heard over and over again. And I think when we gave when we went to the school, and we met the kids, I can just picture the one little boy and I can’t think of his name. But he was in fifth grade. And his he’s got the little glasses on, and they’re crooked on his face and smudged. And he’s got this cute little tooth missing. And he’s just like, telling us, thank you for the glasses. I’m going to be brave, and I’m going to be strong. And I’m going to love anyway, like, I’m going to love. I’m not going to be scared. He’s just little. And I’m I mean, you know, he’s telling me I mean, this is so I know they’re just glasses. They could be considered party favors to some right. But to me, it’s so much deeper than that. It’s just a tool to connect with people and have each other understand each other a little bit better. And, and it’s been the most amazing journey I’ve ever taken in my life. Like I can’t believe I get to do this.

With Yeah, did you imagine such a thing when you were? Oh, my kid or maybe it was 10 years ago?

Yeah, no, no, because you have to understand that the way that I am the way my maybe my Empath my Empath, you know, that I would say I feel deeply right. You know, that’s, I know that this is a negative in the world. Like it’s, you’re too sensitive you’re growing up with You’re too sensitive. You I mean, you know, you look crazy if you’re crying at some part in a movie that you can put yourself in their shoes or I mean, it’s just a movie you know? It’s it’s all this kind of thing, right? And you get trained very early on not to feel right, that you shouldn’t feel that you are ridiculous for feeling and you know, it’s an you’re a woman Don’t you know, PMS and you know, mood swings and it right. I mean, there’s so much to it. And I have learned that feeling is one of the greatest gifts that we can have and it is an absolute superpower and I refuse to let that go. I mean, it’s a strength. And we have to see it that way. And encourage more of that. Yeah,

absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we were we were chatting about, you know, I was saying, as a child, I was really shy. And really recommend you asked me a great question, which is like, Well, would you say like, are you still shy? And I actually don’t. I don’t think that word is like a real thing. I don’t actually think shy exists. I think it’s like, it’s society’s way of shaming people for being quiet for listening for maybe in many cases, being introverted, you know, not really having the energy to engage with a lot of people. And which is something that our society really celebrates, right? It’s like this ability to, if you can perform in front of an audience, yes, you got it. In fact, in a marketing training, I took one time, they were like, if you can stand in front of a room and talk to people, then people will already trust you more. But we just, we look up to that. And so, over the course of my life, it’s been a journey to really honor and celebrate like, Yeah, I’m, I’m someone who just, I prefer quiet, alone time. I love people so much, in my own way. And it doesn’t have to be in the way that anyone else loves people. You know. So I really, that’s one thing I love about this podcast, too, is getting to really sit down one on one, I’m, I’m not good with small talk. I’m not good at it. I just want to talk about real things. Like I tend to ask people, What are you passionate about? What are you excited about what’s coming up in your life? You know,

I understand you more than No, I think we’re just soul sisters there. Although I am a lot noisier than you. I like to laugh and joke and be out there and be goofy but not always. With a crowd. I’m still very shy around crowd. As matter of fact, when we just to let you know, when we started the love glasses. There was a marketing guru. That was at one of the places that we have loved glasses at the pomegranate cafe. And our two kids love that place will be in restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. And he calls me and he asked me about the love glasses. And I told him, and so he was felt like giving me advice. He probably, you know, I think he reaches out to maybe small businesses and sees what they’re about. And if he can help them, you know, and he told me after he found out who I was, and what I was, he’s kind of like, yeah, I don’t know, maybe, you know, you shouldn’t be the face of it, you know, you should, you know, kind of be behind the scenes. And this is what I always thought of myself anyway. And I’m like, yeah, yeah, it took me a long time, like, so I just wanted to be like, love glasses revolution, and tell people to wear love glasses, because they can make the world better and make themselves better, but I’ll just hang out here. And then one day, I just said, you know, this, someone kind of told me a little like, I mean, Terry, you’re the, you’re the part that makes me feel happy. When I see it, like, you know, when I see you, you remind me that I can do things, you know, like they really felt compelled by this and I thought about it a lot. And then that’s I guess, when I started just kind of showing up and maybe starting to do more social media and not being it was still it was still in still is always a struggle to be authentic in it though. Because I don’t want to just do marketing. You know, I hate that like, but we are in essence, all a brand. All of us. How you show up in the world is really your brand when they think of you they think of you a certain way. And so, I think a lot about who I want to be in the world in order to help people like me, who didn’t think they could be much of anything, or we’re not good enough or people pleasing. You know, the, I mean, really, I I find all these tendencies. Still.

I think that’s what makes your message so strong. Is you and you’re we’re all in it together. Yes. It’s not that you have it figured out. You’re teaching everyone else how to love it’s no No, no, no, it’s like an invitation. As I see it, like, I feel like your invitation is always to come and play, try it on. See what it’s like, does it work for you?

Thank you, that’s, that’s a beautiful way of looking at it. I just, I feel like we’re stronger in numbers with pushing back against the hate and the negativity, you know, those voices have no problem being loud, and obnoxious. They’re okay. Like, screaming and yelling about this community, or these people or, you know, this country or you know, all of this kind of stuff. But we sometimes can be so quiet about, you know, we just, we don’t want to engage, we don’t want to confront. We don’t want to, you know, I mean, we’re definitely non non violent thinking. But we can be loud and proud about the fact that we’re going to love Damn it. And we’re going to take everybody with us, you know what I mean? So that’s, I think that’s my rebelliousness. Like, if it has to mean love for all. But be aware that our love for all means taking everybody with us making the world better. Like if you’re not a person that’s kind of thinking about everybody, maybe me love glasses aren’t for you, you know? You’re worried about your bottom line and don’t care about your maybe, I mean, you wear them, but with the intention to grow maybe? Well, let’s Yeah. I mean,

I love that. And I remember in must have been in 2001, late 2001, we’re on the brink of war. And I was in the streets organizing protests. And one time got to be on a radio was invited to a radio like a right wing radio station. And so one other friend and I went to be on this show, and we were really like, bracing ourselves, we came with lots of data. You know, we were like, ready to argue. And I don’t remember all of what happened. But my, the person that came with me, he was getting his PhD. And so he just had like, all these like facts, figures that, you know, he was going through it. And the guy hosting the show, he finally, like his last question for us. He was like, Well, okay, so you think war is not the solution, then? What is the solution to terrorism? And I just said, The only thing I could think of in that moment, because that was the only that we did not prepare for that question. And I just said, Love.

Oh, my heart. And

that the guy the host started laughing. Yeah, like how how ludicrous how ridiculous. How airy fairy? Up. Can you be?

Yeah, you’re real. You’re a weirdo. Yeah, you’re a hippie. Yep. Yeah, downright. You’re sensitive, sensitive.

Yeah, real. Yeah, but my so I, of course, I felt embarrassed. And my comrade, my friend with me. Here elaborated, you know, with somewhere data and things. And some other ideas, but, but it really sat with me like, my whole system. Just knew, though that that was true. That actually bottom line underneath it all. That was it. It actually can’t be that simple.

Who I love the fact that no matter if you are ridiculed, you’re laughed. You’ve told me your whole system knew that was true. I think that’s the most important takeaway from everything that you just said here. Like, they’re going to hear what they’re gonna hear. They’re gonna think what they’re going to think. But you spoke your truth, whether or not your voice shaped right, you spoken truth? And I think Sure. I mean, I think that’s the most powerful thing in the world. And I’m proud of you. And you’re right. I agree.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I think also that your sign your love for all sign really brought that back up for me in a really great affirming way. Cool. Yeah. That is, that is it is powerful, like, like react to really love. Yes, powerful.

And I will even expound on that where, when I started Did I feel like I was seeking so much right? I have, I really, really was wanting love. And so that was the start of the love glasses revolution that was the start of walking around with my signs pretty much. If I look back, I’m like either asking for it tell demanding it. I don’t know what I want to say I’m just it’s there, it was obsessive. It took that that path to get to the point of now, six years later, the anniversary six years was in January. And I realized that it was me looking like it’s, I was looking on the outside. And that this journey took me to understand that I needed to pour everything that I have into me to like loving people. And then reminding myself that I am people too. Because what I’ve learned is if I was this person now that I’ve become, because of all of you along the way, reminding me about what like, it’s like, I don’t know, I just think of like a rock that’s being polished all you know, you’re fine tuning it, you’re polishing it like and learning what does love mean, because when you put it out there that you’re going to love, you get a lot of resistance, you get a lot of people are telling you what that means. So you have to think and reflect and figure out what does that mean for you, for you. And, and I think that I’ve recognized that I’m now giving myself that love and that if it was six years ago, and I was in the same situation where people were calling, you know, me terrorists or calling me names or boohoo on Muslims. I’m not saying that those hate crimes weren’t there. It’s just I would be navigating that system a lot differently. And everything they said wouldn’t be about me. I wouldn’t be owning every single thing. But I’m excited about this path because I had to go through it to understand that I have to fight for myself. And if you don’t tell your story, and you don’t show up and tell your narrative someone else is going to tell it for you.

Mm hmm. So true. So good. How do people become love rebels? Exactly.

Oh, pretty easy to put on. I mean, yeah, you know, really, let’s be honest, you don’t need to have heart shaped glasses. You know, I’m not trying to take over the world with hardship. I would like to actually I think I mean that would be great if they understood it but the truth is, the truest love rebel is to to love to love themselves. So we have like a pledge we have a pledge card which is funny I don’t even have it right here in front of me. That’s hilarious. But choose to see the world with love is the basic premise. And you know, heart shaped glasses of bait have become the symbol and we know that not everybody can wear sunglasses so we are not ostracizing or out casting everyone everyone who wants to be with us is included. We have pins and totes and bags of T shirts. I mean, the posters like you’re in the revolution, we want you you are people that just understand that together we’re stronger. May you you’ll want to I think be in service of others. And you want to make the world a better place. And you do your best and your best looks different every day.

I love that. That and and as a as a member of this love rebel army.

I’ll say you are definitely loved it is

the most fun to to get glasses from you or whatever. Just the packaging, the love notes, the stickers. You know you can get love glasses anywhere but it’s not the same experience.

Yeah, yes, yes, exactly. They sell heart shaped glasses and other places but love glasses is is supposed to be for me. It’s from my heart to yours. It’s a virtual hug in the mail. Like I want you to feel like you open that. And your day is different because of it. It’s it I want it to be an experience. So I will put in there a ridiculous amount of stickers and the pledge card and fun colors and because I believe that while we’re all fighting very serious issues and battles in the world as you know the way it is. We get to have joy. We get to have joy and they He cannot take that away from us. We get one life to live or depending on what you believe at least one go around. And in this go around, we are going to, we’re going to take that joy when we can get it. And that’s so important because you have to be filled up and experience that to get through. I mean, to the next thing you have to grade. On it a box. Yes. Yeah,

it’s so yeah, my daughter has the room decorated with all this stuff.

I love that. I love that the young people get it. And yeah. You know, when you see the young people coming up, and they tell you like, you know, we’re at the Women’s March and they bring their daughters they want I just wanted you to meet my daughter, like, oh my god, like, like, really? I mean, you see the bright eyes in the future, and you feel good that they understand. I think the young people are just getting such a better understanding of what self love looks like. I mean, I have a 17 year old niece, and she’s gotta be 17. And I told her, I was gonna go to Mexico, and I hadn’t had my pedicure, right? I’m like, Oh, God, I gotta get a pedicure. And she’s like, why? And I’m like, Well, you don’t want to be on the beach. And you know, people see my feet, she goes really, really well. And she’s like, I just do you and you have fun, and you don’t care what people think about your feet. And I’m like, I mean, like, we can do this. Like, we can not think about what people think about our feet. Like, I don’t know, you know, it, it was just it was just different. Yeah, different now. I think there’s more tools, I think there’s a more focus and and while it’s still overwhelming, and you say like self love and self care still can be very vague. I think all of the talk about it is, you know, you, you get to figure out what that means for you. Mm hmm. So that you will see that I did start focusing more on that. That’s why, like, we just did that brave girl love yourself coloring book. And that was one of my proudest moments was this little coloring book with just these quotes, like brave girl and, and all the all of the messaging and seeing people relating to it. And yeah, it just who knows where we’re going? We just keep moving forward with love. Yeah, fun things and stickers.

Yes. Oh, my goodness. Well, I I’m wondering where folks can find you online. Where’s the good place to connect in with this love rebel

group, if they want to our our site is my love And on there is like our blog, like, all right, things that happen or stories or things that I think and then all the social medias on there. And so that’s probably the best place to go. Great. But we’re, we’re online and we like to have fun. And if you get love glasses, tag us, like tag us with your cool experiences, like just the ripples. I love the ripples.

Yes, yes. And I love your stories and the way you share them. And yeah, that was a story. Oh, my goodness. Well, thank you so much for sharing some piece of your journey and your joy and your love.

Thank you for having me. It’s been a pleasure.

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