Justice and Joy
An Interview With
Nina Everflow
This is an unedited transcript:
Blue
Welcome to a Path of Her Own. I’m Blue Russ. And I’m sitting down with women who are building success on their own terms, asking questions to get at the raw truth of the ups and downs of their journey. I hope that today’s interview sparked something within you.
Welcome, welcome. I am sitting here with one of my favorite humans in the whole wide world. So I’m so delighted that you get to listen in with us. Nina Everflow is the founder of Everflow Consulting. And I just I love there’s so many ways to describe her work. And I just, I wanted to just say a few of them, because I love all of them. So if you’ve ever go on her website, which I definitely recommend, like, go there. everflo.com It says right away that she’s helping authors and business leaders align learning intentions to impact intentions to impact. Yeah. So, um, okay, another one, I’ll just list a few. And then I’m going to say a couple words about my experience working with Nina, which is she’s an instructional designer. So if you had to give like a quick title, instruction, in terms of her work, Instructional Designer, she builds learning experiences, and designs inclusive and creative learning environments.
So that was, that was a lot of words.
Blue
So maybe a few of them landed, I, I feel like, yeah, all of it is really accurate. So my experience with Nina is that, as many of you know, I’ve offered a lot of group experiences and courses in the past in my own business. And I think like many of us, 2020 was one of those years when I took a real pause, like, what’s, what’s going on in my courses? Who am I actually serving and to what end? So these are course questions that I had before. But I think at a new level, I really started to look at those, like who’s really benefiting from what I’m offering. And, and then in comes Nina into my life, we were in a business course together. And yeah, pretty immediately, I was like, oh, and she’s also by the way, the first person I ever had a virtual coffee with that was the new thing that pandemic brought us so and then I’ve definitely worked with her teaching courses, she’s come in and helped as a guest teacher in my courses. So just so much love for the way in which Nina teaches and shares her experiences and guides. She’s just really brilliant at what is the intention of this course. Really looking at that? And then what is the best way to deliver it? So the the results happen, right? It’s not just checking the boxes, like I taught this module in this module, you know, why are you teaching those modules? What how are you getting them across? Like, who what learner style is being missed? Or who’s not in the room? All these kinds of questions. So
welcome, Nina.
Nina Everflow
so delighted to be here. Thank you. Thank you for the invitation, and words. And I feel like I also like even if you are describing this, it’s often your youth the pause that feels so meaningful and full in in your description of it. So that’s something that I feel like I have a greater sensitivity to because of your demonstration.
Oh, thank you.
Blue
I’m a poser. Oh, yeah. And I for me, too, when I That’s my learning style, right is when I hear something. If there’s no pauses, I don’t have time to take it in. I don’t. I get lost. I’m still back there trying to figure out what that word was.
Nina Everflow
Right. Yeah, we need to pause. We need to bring back the pod.
Blue
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Well, there’s so much we can talk about we were chatting before we hit record to wishing we had recorded that part. But yeah, so that I just, I just outlined professionally, who Nina is, but you have like some really interesting stories in your own personal life. I think you’re personally very interesting too. Which is, you know, just even your name where that came from. We your background, I looked like you were an activist. I mean, you still are Um, me too. And, and sort of how, you know, it’s an interesting journey to go from activism working in nonprofit spaces to being an entrepreneur. So like, on that first
Nina Everflow
Exactly? Well, well, because you’ve mentioned the name, but that that feels like a fun place to tell us. Yeah, it’s, it’s, my last name is not my birth name. And it’s not my marriage, but it is a name that my partner and I co created together after we got legally married. And, and part of the reason that we wanted to do that was not just this book, I don’t want my own lineage, right? Or he wasn’t attached to his last name. But there was there was this being pulled by what could a name represent for us? What would we desire to leave as our legacy in the next generation, it really was like, sitting in that space of like, not, you know, not pushing against, but actually leaning into. And so we chose ever flow to represent to us our belief that the universe is ever flowing and abundance, and that it is, it wishes, desires, to, to be in service to be a contribution to see the best and the highest of everyone, but particularly, you know, for us, and so, like, we wanted to affirm that for ourselves. So it’s literally an affirmation. And every time I see it out there in the world, you know, seeming, like staring back at me, I’m just like, oh, that’s me, let me be ever flowing, let me bring the best that I that I have capacity for in this moment. So it literally has that kind of like, you know, straightening up my back, they lending me and my heart space. And reminding me that life is really about what we choose to bring to it, and that we are supported along the way. So all of those things are part of what that name means to me. And now it’s like a real thing. Like we went got it legal, which is really hard. And I certainly understand now for for trans individuals who are trying to change their names in our legal system in the US, they make it ridiculously difficult. But, but we were able to do that and feel really blessed to see it and have it out in the world.
Blue
That’s, I love that. And I feel like that affirmation. We could all use, like, I’m just imagining someone’s listening right now going like, really? Is that true? Is that ever slowly? can feel?
Nina Everflow
Yeah, lots of evidence out there. But it’s not. And yeah, it’s a constant reminder. Oh, actually, the trees are not struggling. They’re not. And there is abundant air. I can take a deep breath. Right. Like just little little thing of like, what is a budget right now? In my moment? In my experience? Yeah.
Blue
What a great question. What is abundant in my moment, right now?
Right now? Yeah.
Blue
If you’re listening, like, jot it down,
say it out loud.
Blue
Send me an email, like what’s abundant? Want to hear it?
Nina Everflow
Right. We like a lot of shares that deliciousness, right of that? Because, yeah, it can be a real struggle, for sure. But that’s what that’s the gift of affirmations. Right to help. Remember, reconnect us to there’s another truth as well. Yeah, I do believe that.
Blue
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And we were, we were comparing notes about her flower gardens a little bit ago. You know, and I was saying, like, this year, I just, I’m allowing my flowers to grow. Like whatever comes back comes back. And I’ve never done it that way before. It’s always been a I’m gonna go and pick out new flowers every year and see what I like. And you know, that I’ve loved that. No, no regrets about that. But this year, it’s been an allowing, like, whatever’s going to grow, grow. And a lot of that has to do with my own energy and financial situation at the moment. But it’s been really beautiful to be reminded, like, oh, I don’t I don’t have to control that. I don’t have to manage that for flowers to come and be beautiful.
Oh, goodness.
Nina Everflow
That’s a good reminder to write like, you don’t have to manage It’s not your responsibility all the time to ensure that some outcome happens. Sometimes it is our letting go our disconnect that can then we can just receive. I’ve been in that lesson, I feel like for years, how can I receive this moment of feeling like I have to keep earning it working hard?
Blue
It is, it’s a challenge, I think in or just in our, let’s name it patriarchal white supremacist world, like that is a huge ethic, right? If we have to earn the right for basic things like receiving and rest, and yeah, yeah. So that that’s baked in. And then I don’t know about you, this kind of ties into the idea of like, working as an activist, right? And then working as an entrepreneur. It’s like this, I think, I don’t know about you, but I came to activism, right? Because I’m like, Well, I’m on this planet, I better do something good. There’s all this stuff. There’s all this work to do. And all these things are broken, right? I help heal it or mended or, you know, where are those points? And there’s a real I don’t know why the word opportunity comes to mind. But there’s a real opportunity to burn out
Nina Everflow
with that reality.
Blue
Also. Yeah. So I wonder, yeah, what are your thoughts on
Nina Everflow
all of that, all of that, you know, it’s just, it’s so common, it’s so common. And I’m glad that so many of us are now having this conversation, literally about like the passion, right to heal and serve and be a contribution to the improvement of the world. And the very real experience of burning out of harming our own bodies, our own relationships, right from that passion to be of service. So I mean, I just, I feel so grateful that I live at a time where we’re having that Congress votes, right, because like, just a couple of decades ago, we’re only talking about be of service be of service be of service, particularly in the African American community. It was just, that’s all it left, there was no acknowledgement of what that cost you and your body and your soul and your heart, right, like, and so it does feel like we’re moving in a healthier direction. Although certainly, you know, the fact that we still have to have so many that there are so many problems still is very overwhelming, and then can get just like, you know, just disappointing, like the humans haven’t grown to live together better. Hundreds of years later, we’re still doing the same kind of fighting and division and all those things. But I mean, just to share a little bit about like my story, I feel like it started really, really young. I remember when I was around eight, I had a reoccurring dream. And I was in the Oval Office at the White House, and President Reagan at the time he was president was in there. And I was like, staring up right, because I still had my like, eight year old body. And I was staring up at him, like with my finger out, like, I’m gonna leave the world more peaceful than it was when I entered it, like, totally blaming him and all the white dudes. Right? And, and that this happened, like multiple nights in a row. And this was the part of the story that I woke up and could remember. And that is really guided like, my awareness of like, oh, yeah, I’m on a mission. Like, that’s what I’m here to do is about peace. And I often say that, you know, in my teens, I thought I was going to be about peacemaking by being like the next Whitney Houston, and through popularity and thinking on stages, like I inspire people in the world. And then, you know, I didn’t when a couple of talent shows was just like, scratch that was something else. In my 20s, peacemaking was about policy. So I went to college and graduate school thinking, I wanted to be an ambassador, and then started working at State Department and recognize that there was not really a lot of intentionality about peacemaking in that institution that, you know, and honestly, they were about economic interests of the United States abroad. That’s why the State Department exists. We put on a good face about our military and actions, but it is not one of the core value is to be about peace. And, and I struggled for a moment because I did recognize like I could continue on this trajectory right and become an ambassador and attempt to improve Lewin’s change from within knowing very clearly, this institution is not going to change significantly, or I could deviate and make a new choice about what my contribution to world peace could look like. So I chose the alternative because I’m a rebel and about being around people who aren’t authentic to like the values that they say that they have. So, so I went the International Education route, and, and worked well, at the State Department, I was working on the Fulbright Program, portfolio, but then moved on to work through a DC based firm with the United Nations. And so in serving their university and their leadership development spaces, began to see how how limited, you know, our definitions of what a good leader is. And because we put so much emphasis on the leader of these organizations around the world, they are the epitome of what we’re all striving towards. Right, either as employees or just as citizens, we want to embody the characteristics of the leader. And yet, when you look at the leadership in these organizations, it just is so disappointing. So and then being inside those institutions and recognizing, oh, that’s why it’s disappointing, because they have the bar set really low. And, and I think sadly, it’s just it’s without heart, it’s without the multi-dimensional.
Nina Everflow
I think recognition of like the, the complexity of this human being, it is what your Europeans like to emphasize about the intellect, right, and about, like, exploiting people. And so I feel like the definitions of leadership are serving the values of those who are in, you know, leading our economic and political system. And, and that is the reality that I don’t want to play in anymore. So I got, you know, all that education, right, while delivering and learning and creating learning programs for all these humanitarian leaders across the world who came with such heart. And with such horror stories of like, how they burst out, right? Well, you know, responding to tsunamis while responding to conflict, and just how, like, they were just overwhelmed by, you know, those those problems. And I really began to to recognize, like that Einstein quote, right about like problems will not be solved by the frequency of how they exist, something like that. I’m sure I’ve messed it up. But it is that that really true difference between the frequencies right of the problems and solutions. And so we’d have to change our consciousness. And that is really the work that I think I’m doing when talking about educational solutions that were paradigm shifting. We’re getting out pulling ourselves out of these like, overwhelm of the problem and putting ourselves in our learners and our clients in spaces of possibility that then excite them to work in that frequency and to engage and connect and redefine themselves. They’re so then when they go back out into the real world, they’re the light beacons, right? And they’re not just reactionary to all the crap that’s happening around us, but like pulling from a deeper source.
Hmm.
Blue
Yes. And I wonder, I think you it’s all in what you just said. But I wonder if we could just highlight like, how would you define leadership, like real, like, true leadership?
Nina Everflow
I define it the same way that Bell Hooks defines love. And that is an essence of commitment to my own self development, and my own spiritual development, as well as supporting you and yours. And I just feel like that is love. This is what we’re doing here. We’re just growing. How can I help you bro?
Yeah.
Blue
Imagine
like, yeah. Yes.
Blue
Yeah. Let’s just pause here and say if if you aren’t listening, haven’t read anything by bell hooks. Please. Stop what you’re doing even listen. Yeah, exactly. Get yourself. Yes. Oh, that’s brilliant. I’m just imagining. Yeah. And leadership, also, I think, we should say is is not just like, you’re the president of this or you’re the CEO. Right? This right. It’s like we were all leaders in some way. We’re leaders and our families and our communities. So I’m just imagining all of us with that as our goal, right, of course, we’re going to make mistakes, we’re going to fall short, we’re going to best, you know, way. That’s all part of it. A lot.
Nina Everflow
A lot of math.
Blue
But it’s this underlying ethic of, I’m really committed to my growth and yours.
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Nina Everflow
Because from there from that paradigm, you then make choices about who you hire, you make choices about who you partner with, you make choices about what environments you want your children to grow up in, and what environments you want to contribute to growing, you know, towards. You make choices about your food, what you what you consume in all the way, right, like having a love ethic like this, like changes you. And then you show up to problems very differently.
Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Huh. It is that like, overflow.
Blue
I feel I’m just I’m just imagining like, the tea cup is just, like constantly being filled. And then there’s just there’s overflow. So there’s ever a flow and there’s overflowing. Abundance back to London? Yep. Yeah, there’s abundance in that there’s not a i, I become a leader by taking from you or I become a leader by manipulating or presenting as perfection. With no room to grow. Or I’m, I’m a leader because I’m in control. Like, none of that. Even makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. ethic. Paradigm. Yeah.
Nina Everflow
Right. Right. Right, right. And I feel like the, like, I love the title of your, of your podcast, like the path of pearls, because I feel like there’s this opportunity to, what does your embodiment of that look like? Because that’s going to be your own. Right. And I think often around, like, even in the activist circles that I’m still in, you know, that we are redefining what activism looks like, because it’s not always marching, writing letters to Congress, you know, donating money to different causes, but it’s also about interrupting generational trauma. And it’s also about, you know, returning yourself back to the earth, and being curious about how to grow things and how to have, you know, closer dynamics between the food you eat and what, where it came from, like, all of those are really important ways that we embody activism and disrupt our participation in these systems that are causing so many people harm. And they’re all necessary. So we just get to choose, you know, what are we going to engage in? Nobody’s asking you to do all the things. And you certainly don’t have to do all the things in the way that other people are doing them. Find your way, find your path. And there’s an I feel like we just need to continue to support one another in doing more of that, from from this new paradigm of, it just feels like yeah,
Blue
I see. And I see a lot. I don’t know if this happens in your activist circles, but I see, I think, primarily people who may be feeling less resourced, or they’re tired, you know, but one that happens a lot is that people kind of go, Oh, don’t do it like that. That’s the wrong way to do it. And I just, it makes me cringe so hard, because I’m like, great. If you don’t like it, if you don’t like that method, like if you’re not into marching with a sign cool, like, don’t do it. Totally cool. Yeah, he’s not telling me to stop. Like, please don’t do that. And like, if you’re, you know, I mean, I have some friends who are like running for office, and they have people. There’s people in our lives that are like, Oh, it’s not going to change the system. What are you doing? You’re wasting your energy, like, please like, oh, that’s your way. Cool. I need you in there. I don’t want to be in there. I know. You don’t want to. But like we could use the people in there. If that’s what they want to do. Like, there’s no right way.
Nina Everflow
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I hear you. And I hear that the apathy apathy is strong. Right? Yeah, yeah. And it is just like When I just completed this program with Adria, moja, that Moses, she runs the school of radical healing. And one of the things that I learned from her was this, like my my reaction to people who are just like, you know, apathetic about our political and economic and social situation, would my you know, my old response would be criticism, like, here are the reasons you shouldn’t be apathetic, right? It still matters, pushing them to change their mind. And, and instead I’m just like, because I’m the ever optimistic like, you can’t tell me that the world is going to end tomorrow, I will give you a dozen reasons why it’ll still be thriving and etcetera, right? Like, it just doesn’t work. But I understand now that even that causes harm. So instead, can I just hold space for them to be who they are that they’ve had experiences that have led them to that conclusion of like, nothing matters, right? It will make a difference, right? Or whatever, in that moment. And an offer curiosity, if they’re wanting to be in conversation about it, but maybe they’re not. And so then just letting it, letting it be. And that feels like a really new practice to me, I’m not even going to claim that I’m having a good time with it. But it’s offering something different, right? That is different on a different frequency. That’s what it feels like in my body. Like if I respond with curiosity, and compassion instead of here’s why you’re wrong. And actually, right, like, he
Blue
looks feel different. Oh, that sounds like your growth and their growth.
Nina Everflow
Yeah. Yeah, thank you for connecting that for me.
Ah,
Blue
I get to share I actually have a positive social media conversation. First of all, that seems like a conflict with a very, like pro gun rights person. And I, I am not that. I mean, I, I’m for like, rights in general. I feel like, I’m not sure why guns get special rights. Because it makes sense to me when like humans in life. There’s a lot more in my mind, and heart anyway. So I but I, I’ve realized I’ve recognized that I have this. You know, I’ve never unfriended anyone. I’ve never, I’ve always felt like, they can do that to me if they feel the need. I’m never gonna hide how I feel about things. But also, yeah, I’m curious. I’m also a curious optimistic person. And everyone I’m connected with on social media, there’s some connection point, like there’s, there’s a reason we’re connected. I don’t just accept friend requests randomly. So that there’s something that we can agree on, or at least connect around or something. And so this is a person who was commenting on something else. So I don’t know this person. So it’s like, I don’t usually interact with those folks. Yeah, yeah. Because we don’t have that base of there’s not going to be a dialogue usually right. But I just got really curious because this person was really explaining a thing about I won’t go into the whole story, but just about gun rights and how important they were and that basically, the Democrats were trying to take our guns away and you know, you we’ve heard these arguments, so I just was like, Oh, I’m really curious. You know, some people were definitely having their reactions to that on the thread, but I just said, Hey, it’s okay, this might not be the space for this. But I’m actually really curious like, why do people who are pro gun rights why are they anti gun regulations? I hear it all the time. Let’s put guns in the hands up the quote unquote good guys. And yet wouldn’t some of those controls make sure of that like it doesn’t make sense to me and again, you don’t have to explain yourself but I’m it’s a curiosity I haven’t I haven’t heard a good answer yet. And and she she replied and just said Look, I I don’t I don’t trust I hear what you’re saying. And I would agree in theory except I don’t trust the politicians to make those regulations that and I it it just like
Oh, got it. Ah, that. I agree. I
Nina Everflow
got out of bed. Okay. Yeah, and
Blue
then I was like, you know,
I don’t trust them either.
Nina Everflow
Especially in the space of regulation, they have really bad track record of regulating anything, anything that we have asked them to regulate. Been not so good. So yeah, I can, I can understand that. Right. I can understand that. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. Good, good example.
Nina Everflow
Okay, think it opens up the space, the spaciousness, right? Like you’re you’re offering a pot, you’re offering a pause, even use of word. Here you are offering a pause? Because it’s just like, hmm. The now the logic thread becomes a little bit more clear, right. It’s not about your hate for Democrats. It’s actually about your distrust based on evidence of a system that has been asked to do things by people, and has failed. And so how do we attended to that? Yeah. How do we respond to that need, right, that we need to be able to build a government that we trust? Yeah, that’s a whole different conversation than what we’re having a
Blue
common actually, that’s what I asked her next. I was like, how do we? How do we create a better government that actually serves us? What are your What are your thoughts? And the things she said are like so many things, I would have said, it was amazing. She’s like, we need to get money out of politics. We need to get the corporation lobbyists out of there. And we need to, you know, yep. And I’m like, over here nodding with this gun and be like. Yeah, yeah, I think it is, um, you know, and I get like, it’s not always possible. And, I mean, it’s a rare thing on social media. And there’s something about that forum, but but where, like, where is the possibility where we can see where are our struggles are the same? Or concerns are the same? Right? Where are those connection points, and there’s real, I think that’s where real power to make things better comes from. And so, you know, I just, I also want to honor that, like, you know, we all have access to different spaces to have those different kinds of conversations. We all have different bandwidths for those conversations. Yeah. You don’t have to have no one has, there’s no half, right?
Nina Everflow
We just did that. Right? Like, nobody spectating. In your social media feed? No. And even glue is off the hook from doing it. I don’t
Blue
ever have to do it again.
Nina Everflow
But you did it was one time and what was good nugget. Good that you you pulled from it? Yeah, I think that’s really important. Yeah, definitely, yeah. To that, that, even in the desire of, you know, those of us who feel this connection, relationship it with, even the term activist changemakers whatever it is, like, we don’t have to have that hat on all the time. Like, we can also just be ourselves and just live our lives, and that we don’t have to take the world’s responsibility for fixing our personal mission. So even though I started that story with like, as an eight year old, I wanted to create world peace, I spent a long time literally feeling like the responsibility of world peace was on my shoulder, or else I was not living my life correctly. And I have, so let that go. Because there are billions of other people on this planet. And there are all kinds of other species and entities on this planet, and we’re all contributing to the experience of peace or not peace. So this is not all on me. I get to live my life.
Blue
Yes. I am curious how you how you determine like what kind of when to tap in tap out? Like where to tap in? Perhaps?
Nina Everflow
Yeah, I mean, I feel like there was a big shift for me in 2020 Because I I started that year. really wanting to fix like, reactionary like a lot of people have come Alert, who had a background in VI spaces like, okay, I can be of service, here I am, let me support support support. And then very quickly, like recognize, guys, how exhausted I was from that frequency of showing up to the issue. And so have begun to reengage by measuring my sense of joy and my sense of nourishment. Right. And so having a requirement for reciprocal nature of it is new. And I can’t say that I am doing it well all the time. But like that assessment of like, hey, and you’ve heard me say, like, it’s about justice and joy. Like, if it’s just about justice, there’s no joy happening inside of me. And I need it to be both. Right. So. So that’s kind of been my a really good barometer for me.
Blue
Yeah, I love I love that justice and joy. And also, I heard in that balancing and not balancing in the like, they’re going to be equal at all times, like, balance, but, but just the active balance of that, like the noticing. Okay, where am I letting Joy slip? Yeah. Or, you know, for some folks, I feel like, for you and me, the default is to go for the justice, right? Like me to remember the joy. Yeah. For some folks. That might be Yeah, where where is it time to engage in justice?
Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds very good.
Nina Everflow
Summary, oh.
Blue
I feel like that that’s a beautiful place to land. And I can’t wait to hear if, you know, listeners want to share, we would love to hear, of course, what you’re, what you’re taking from this, and really what you’re putting into action. So I think that’s a commitment that we share is that whatever we are sharing, or teaching or leading it, it means something and in actual people’s lives and in our lives, too.
Nina Everflow
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, one of my mentors, Dan, a thing often says, like, you know, if you’re measuring your engagement with diversity, equity, equity work in general, right? By what you’re doing, you’re missing the mark, you’re always measuring it by those most marginalized, the only way to measure it, so who are the most marginalized in whatever issue has, you know, you’re passionate about, you want to know how you’re being a contribution to that population? And I feel like that, that’s so it’s so critical, right? Because it then creates an opportunity to be in relationship to be in relationship with a whole new piece of our human family. Like we want to know who those people are, what they’re struggling with, what their joys are, you know, so you be in the in Sonya, Renee Taylor says right relationships with those most marginalized, to assess how we’re doing the work.
Yeah. Yeah.
Blue
Yeah. And I mean, definitely the more diverse, the more inclusive, the more joy
available,
Blue
ultimately.
Nina Everflow
Namie that so much. I started a new IG thread on my Instagram of just like, joyful, real, because I sometimes need help to remember that it is about joy and that joy is really important that I need something intentional to make me laugh. So I just started to capture the reels The Tick Tock videos, right that are floating around that are just absolutely golden. And, and it’s just the delight I get like endless just rewatching short little thing. Yeah. And like literally today, what I added today was like this, various black men frolicking. They’re like we’re frolicking. We’re frolicking and just running oil frolic, like grown as black men. And it’s so good. Laughing here and like even thinking about that. Id you can go find those delightful videos. They’re so great. You don’t think your joy
Blue
Oh, that’s amazing. And And where Nina, can people find you? On the interwebs?
Nina Everflow
Yeah, so I like to play Instagram lands at Nina that everflo. And, and on Facebook, for sure. LinkedIn, I started a new theories on my LinkedIn talking more explicitly about international affairs, which isn’t something that I’ve done for, since I’ve kind of left that, that industry. But I’m really seeing some of the new ways to talk about how again, we’re educating leaders and what then we’re expecting those leaders to do in our global spaces. So, so you can find those on my LinkedIn channel. And Nina everflo.com, for adding to the newsletter that I put out, we’re just staying in touch.
Blue
Definitely recommend make some space in your inbox for Nina highly recommend it. And you can find all those links, we’ll put them up on a path of her own.com as well in our show notes. Nina is such a joy always to connect with you. Thank you so much.
Nina Everflow
Thank you. Thank you.
So delightful.
Blue
Thanks for listening today. I would love for you to join in on the conversation by following me on Instagram at a path of her own for more enriching dialogue. See you there